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"Recipe For A World"
by Jan Sand
2008-10-09 08:52:14

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Let there be light, of course.
But darkness too,
Where the planet's shoulder
Shrugs away the fury of the Sun
To permit the Moon's cool eye
To hold court over her coterie of stars.
The world itself, a ball of rock
Holding in its tight fist
A nugget of molten nickel iron
Must wear a simple veil of seas.
Galaxies of shining fish
Should swirl through this salty soup
And, lightly sown throughout its blue ambience,
Monsters of tentacles and teeth must roam
To teach death to life and give it value.
Across dry land multitudes of green eyes
Must drink the sun
And give its lessons to the air,
To the water and the soil
That they also may learn to feel time and life.
Within the tangle of the trees,
Through the mesh of roots,
Above the luxury of the plants,
The empire of the animals
Must consume, conflict, conquer and cooperate
With wonders of terror, understanding and delight.
All this turmoil must act and react
To confront, oppose, cancel and,
In finality,
Reach the balance of equilibrium.

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AP	2008-10-09 11:30:40
that's beautiful


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 13:55:58
And this equilibrium, so tell us the misguided assorted materialists, agnostics and atheists has been reached by pure chance; it has no mind behind it; were one to find a watch in the street one has to assume that it has no mind behind it simply because the mind that purportedly made is nowhere to be seen. One has to wonder if the creation of the big bang in a lab is not hubris trying to do one better on the Creator with an eight day of creation. The astonishing myopia in all this is to lose sight that the original big bang came out of nothing while we operate with what is already there, and we will never know scientifically what was there before time and space and the laws of the universe became operable. Perhaps genuine poets do after all give us a better intimation of the act of creation since one may indeed conceive the universe as a beautiful poem of sort which began with a Word who was there from the beginning. Usually those poets are able to see beyond their own puny image in a pond.


Sand	2008-10-09 14:15:55
One of the more obviously idiotic persuasions of religious people is that the universe is operated by pure chance as if the basic forces involved could or could not operate with no regard to each other. They seem totally blind to the fact that there is no little bald headed man mumbling and sweating to see that gravity operates or heat dissipates or any of the standard mechanisms that reach equilibrums with no intellect whatsoever behind them.


Sand	2008-10-09 14:18:23
Equalibriums


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 15:06:18
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9403/evidence.html The above link will take the reader beyond shallow caricatures to a very well reasoned article by a scientist on the scientific evidence or lack thereof for the existence of God and a designed universe. It is by Dr. Walter Bradley who has a Ph.D. in Materials Science and is professor of Mechanical engineering at Texa A&M University.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 15:24:47
P.S. A follow-up with a statement by William Dempsky: "In my book The Design Inference, I argue that specified complexity reliably detects design. In that book, however, I focus largely on examples from the human rather than the natural sciences. The main criticism of that work to date concerns whether the Darwinian mechanism of natural selection and random variation is not in fact fully capable of generating specified complexity. More recently, in No Free Lunch, I show that undirected natural processes like the Darwinian mechanism are incapable of generating the specified complexity that exists in biological organisms. It follows that chance and necessity are insufficient for the natural sciences and that the natural sciences need to leave room for design."


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 15:49:00
P.S.S. In central Italy there is a mountain with a rock in which the elements have carved a figure that resembles the head of Mussolini with an army helmet on it. There is a inn nearby which Mussolini, being a vain man, used to frequent to better contemplate his own figure sculpted by nature. Now, had Mussolini gone to Mt. Rushmore to contemplate the figures of various US presidents sculpted in it, and had he proclaimed that those figures had been sculpted by wind and rain and erosion and were there by pure chance, then Mussolini would have been considered not only a narcissist but a madman to boot, which, come to think of it, he nearly was.


Sand	2008-10-09 15:49:21
Arguments against evolution, which is the basis for all modern biology, are so obviously asinine that I will not bother to engage. Although whatever the Vatican may feel about evolution bears no weight with me, perhaps Paparella should know: John Paul said: Today, almost half a century after publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 16:04:07
"Materialistic ideology has subverted the study of biological and cosmological origins so that the actual content of these sciences has become corrupted. The problem, therefore, is not merely that science is being used illegitimately to promote a materialistic worldview, but that this worldview is actively undermining scientific inquiry, leading to incorrect and unsupported conclusions about biological and cosmological origins. At the same time, intelligent design (ID) offers a promising scientific alternative to materialistic theories of biological and cosmological evolution -- an alternative that is finding increasing theoretical and empirical support. Hence, ID needs to be vigorously developed as a scientific, intellectual, and cultural project." Excerpt from Uncommon Descent by William Dembski and Denyse O'Leary.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 16:07:05
Is that what the visiting voices told you lately: that John Paul II was a materialist? Don't believe them, they are liars and slanderers. Next time they visit ask them why did De Chardin accept evolution (in all its aspects, not merely the materialistic side)and yet believed in a Creator. But take their answer with a big grain of salt; the one you put in your chocolate cakes.


Sand	2008-10-09 16:26:35
Your knowledge of chocolate cakes is equal to your knowledge of anything scientific. There is no salt.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 18:45:35
In fairness to chocolate cakes, Aristotle would declare that universal chocolate cakes have no salt by their own nature. The absurd narcisistic subjective rationalist would proclaim that he does not give a hell of a bean about the nature of chocolate cakes and that his particular cake has no salt because he says so, period and another says the contrary. Hume, would say, gentlemen, gentlemen, calm down, just take a bite of the cake and you'll find out if it takes salt or sugar. But even Hume never said that universal chocolate cakes take no salt because a particular cake was made without salt and had to be defended and even worshipped without salt.


Sand	2008-10-09 19:23:35
There you go, Paparella. Better for you to worship chocolate cakes and eat them than worship Christ and consume those flavorless cookies the Catholics dispense in lieu of a real chunk of juicy blood dripping meat visualized as coming from Christ's gluteus maximus. Since you speak so freely of how Aristotle might deal with chocolate cake (and chocolate is obviously a Western Hemisphere product) I wonder how you figure he likes martinis or pizzas or hot dogs or vanilla ice cream. Do you keep him in a closet at home to answer current questions or is he one of your trained phantasmagorias who says whatever you put in his mouth? There are lots of things Hume never said including that you are a demonstrated first class idiot but I am sure he would rapidly remedy that lack once he met you.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 21:36:21
:-) + :-( = LOL on chocolate cakes? Are they made of the same stuff we are made of? Are they universal or particular? Plenty of food for thought here. Aristotle would be envious.


Sand	2008-10-09 21:50:56
There goes your pet Aristotle popping off again. It as no relation to the real Aristotle, of course. Perhaps you have chocolate cake for brains but the odor makes me suspicious it is something less edible.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 22:49:01
And I almost thought you had given up on the poetics of defecation. I suppose some habits die hard. Since it has been declared "beautiful" by Ms. AP, I've been wondering where exactly does Beauty, Truth, Goodness fit in that wonderful deterministic equilibrium the demiurge in the pseudo poem above speaks of. Or are those irrelevant to a deterministic positivistic world?


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 22:56:18
"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst." --Aristotle Ask the voices when they visit while you make chocolate cakes if the above is the real Aristotle but take their answer with a grain of salt, or sugar, as required.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-09 23:01:16
P.S. By the way, when it is a verb has is written with an h. A typo, I know, which does not mean you don't know how to spell but since I was accused of inconsideration toward the readers some time ago I figured I'd point it out in the context of Aristotle's statement about justice and fairness.


Sand	2008-10-09 23:36:40
Nice that you paid attention. I really didn't expect you to appreciate my poetry and for once you lived up to my expectations. I'll try to make a few typos here and there just to check if you are not so mentally disconnected from reality that you can no longer spell. Considering the laws and justice that the Bush regime is promulgating it would appear that poor Aristotle is way off the mark again. Can't that guy get anything right?


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-10 02:17:11
What erratic inchoerence! It's astonding. You ought to call the ambulance and send those visiting voices to the lunatics' asylum.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-10 05:02:12
Errata: astounding.


Sand	2008-10-10 06:48:16
Considering that you have a pet Aristotle that confides to you its opinions about chocolate cake, I would hesitate to make judgments confirming your sanity.


by	2008-10-10 08:58:46
Perhaps you two should exchange phone numbers...


Sand	2008-10-10 09:35:57
As does everybody, I have a working asshole in good condition. The interned provides me with Paparella as a long distance asshole. Our globe locations would give me a telephone connection and a third anal outlet which would be out of sync with my diurnal rhythms. Two assholes producing the same product is sufficient.


Emanuel Paparella	2008-10-10 13:10:08
Ah, the poetics of defecation. That is indeed your true calling Mr. S.


Sand	2008-10-10 16:08:26
Appreciation noted. But I have to admit I couldn't do it without your inspiration.